Jonny interviews Mackie Obando who just released his first original queer-themed song and music video, "Desprederse de la Luna." You can check out the video here. In the back half of the show Jonny is joined by Heather to talk about the wild lies coming up as October Surprises and how they really don't seem to be working. At the center of most of the drama is misuse of new technologies. On this theme, Jonny provides information about his upcoming show in the Kleinau Theatre, "AI, Robot." Devised with a cast of four, the show explores how how long lasting fascination with robots and AI has created a lot of stories that are more about what it means to be human than they are about machines. Several robot stories play important roles in confirming nonormative sexualities and nonbinary genders.